I have been on the fence for a long time about Organelle, in comparison with Zynthian, RaspPi plus Pisound, MOD Duo, etc. The limiting factors are processing power, the audio quality (which has always sounded quite band-limited), the ancient screen, and the limited ergonomics of the toy keyboard.
While the first issue was addressed in the Organelle M, the rest have not. Instead, we get a speaker and battery compartment, both of which bulk up the unit for no reason, given that cheap battery packs, headphones, and speakers already exist. Apparently, this makes the Organelle more of an “instrument” than a “device”… though my electric guitar has no batteries or speakers either.
I guess I am still waiting for the Organelle Pro, with a large fluid screen in a small form factor. No need for the toy keys, since you will want to plug in a controller to the full-size DIN ports or MIDI host socket. No need for batteries, since it would run from standard 5V USB power.
We weren’t making a sweeping claim that all instruments require batteries/speakers. We were comparing the new Organelle to original. Since it can now be powered and heard without cables/external gear, the new Organelle is a self-contained instrument (and this is “reason” enough for their inclusion!).
you said it would be possible to upgrade to raspi 4 if the pinout is compatible. So I have to questions. Does the New Organelle still use a seperate controller board or are all the pots and the display now wired to the raspberry pis pinout?
And if it still uses the controller board, would it be possible to switch an old organelle on to an raspberry board, by connecting the controller board to an Pi and just use the Organelle M software?
please note for the following , im an enthusiastic bystander… not part of C&G, but hope the following is helpful
the organelle-m uses the CM3 , so the question of if it will work with the CM4 (=rPI4) depends on if the raspberry pi org make the CM4 compatible with the CM4 or not - that is unknown at this point, since they have not released spec of the (possible) CM4 yet.
the organelle-1 was based on the iMX6 from solid run, this is not compatible with the CM3 used by the organelle-m - so the organelle-1 cannot be hardware upgraded in this way.
(however, see my other projects, if you want to know how to upgrade a organelle-1 to a quad core processor )
but when the same controller board is used it should be possible to use a rsp3 in a organelle 1 if you just use the organelle M image then. if the pots and display are going directly to the rspi instead, this would be harder I think.
yeah, I was vague - as what you mean by the ‘controller board’ is vague
the controller/main board on the organelle-1 and organelle is not the same, its very different not only to support the CM3 (rather than iMX6) but also the other hardware (speakers etc), also the organelle-1 used a separate microcontroller for the pots/lcd whereas the organelle-m drives these directly from the CM3
so as I said (in simpler terms ) you cannot simply put a CM3 into an organelle-1, its completely different hardware.
the reason the compatibility is so excellent, is due to the abstractions of Linux and pure data… and the work done on the organelle OS
ok sorry for being vague. I´m just trying to understand. It´s because for me personally i like the organelle 1 better, because it´s smaller and doesn´t have the speaker. Nevertheless it´s cool that the new one has more power and is 64 bit which is a great plus for using orac. So in my head i was just searching a way to switch out the old mainboard for an raspberry and simply connect the pots and lcd to that. if there is no seperate controller board anymore shouldn´t that work with a little bit of work and using the organelle M image then?
i think you are over simplifying things… open up your organelle-1 and take a look inside, and try to think about how you would put a rPI in their, and connect it up
thats not what i said… i said there was no microcontroller - but there still is a main board which will have things like mux ics for the keyboard, codec, and all the stuff for connecting midi sockets/audio jacks etc… … and then the fact that a rPI will not physically not fit inside an organelle case…
basically want you would have to do is exactly what C&G have done with the organelle-m - bar putting the speaker on - and thats leading almost to a discussion on building a clone - which I think is off-topic really, and discussed here and i think elsewhere…
as I pointed out in my first reply - if you want a quad core organelle-1, look at my post here about using an upgraded iMX6 - this works well, Ive been using one for quite a while - also if you do, this you can look at the work I did about building a more modern linux dest using armbian here
anyway, i think this is really straying from the organelle-m, so probably a candidate for a separate topic in the ‘hacking’ category?
I just have to chime in - but will probably start another topic. I also like the form factor of the organelle 1 more, for roughly the same reasons.
I think it’s great they made the M, but I’m waiting for something with the M capabilities in the same small form factor as the original. Quad core thread is pretty cool, but I think I remember you (@thetechnobear) mentioning that mod won’t actually increase headroom in orac though, so not exactly going to do what users like myself and @kroggel are looking for…
that’s not what I said, I actually said it will give a bit of headroom. (see this post for lots of details)
M has more memory which is already useable by orac (e.g. sampler modules) , it feels more fluid due to that extra headroom, and orac uses threads and so cores for thing like display so this helps and I plan to make Orac multicore probably by having separate chains on separate cores - that will yield 3-4 times the processing power we have on the organelle-1.
I have, but didn’t take photos/videos, and its not quite as simple to put back together as the organelle-1, so im not in a rush to do it again at the moment
Ahh, so you did! Apologies for misrepresenting you! I incorrectly remembered our exchange from that thread. So more cores in Organelle-1 will give orac a bit more headroom, even though it’s limited currently to use of a single core… very excited and happy to hear you’re planning to make it multi-core some day